The Language of Scammers

I am still receiving comments and e-mail from people who find it hard to believe that some treatments I have exposed as scams are really as bad as I make out. 

I understand where they are coming from. I really do. If you or a loved one has a persistent and difficult to treat condition, as I have had for over three years now, you really, really  WANT to believe that a solution you found on the Internet is going to give you some of the relief promised. Because you want to Hope. And as I have said before, Hope is a cruel bitch.

...and all these herbal remedies are 100% guaranteed, Right? What could go wrong?

Lots could go wrong. Lots and lots.

Let's just clarify what a "100% guarantee" means in this context:

It does NOT mean the product is 100% guaranteed to work.

It means that you will get 100% of your money back if it doesn't work.  

...Maybe.  

...unless you happen to be in another county far away and you don't happen to speak the language, or you contact them with questions and they can con you into trying the product for another few weeks -blasting out the time limit for a refund, or any more of a hundred different ways they can wriggle out of paying.

Or they can just ignore your letters and e-mails (because they don't have a phone number, you know).

And let's explore that guarantee in a little more depth. Say you have a condition that is caused by a bacterial or other infection such as tetanus, and you choose to take tetnatab instead of antibiotics, you will probably die.  But that's OK!  If it doesn't work and you DIE, you can get your money back!  That is, maybe your estate can make the claim for the $80 on your behalf.

And yes. Many of the false claims are for terminal or potentially dangerous conditions

OK: Let's say your condition isn't as immediately serious as tetanus. Let's say it is something non-dangerous but painful and or unsightly, such as Hidradenitis Suppurativa . We'll take Suppuratec from Botanical Sources as an example, because their guarantee is one of the most squirrely.

 

Money Back Guarantee - Valid for 60 days!

After placing your order, if you believe for any reason that Suppuratec is not suitable for you or you do not find it meeting your health expectations, you have nothing to worry about. All you have to do is to send us back the unused portion (or the empty bottles if you have used the whole product) and all amount that you have paid us would be refunded immediately without any delay. It is completely up to you if you want to give a reason as you will not be asked for any.

This guarantee is valid for 60 days from the date of purchase, thus allowing enough time for delivery to your door and to experience results.

Sounds good right?

Except I have not heard of a single person who got their money back from Botanical Sources without going through their credit card company first. Which means they probably got their money back from Visa or American Express, not from Botanical sources at all. So BS gave them crap product and didn't refund the money.

I particularly love Suppartec's little "guarantee" sidebar, which tells you not to take their word for it and try the product (I think that's what they mean, the English needs work).  Hold on a second here. Don't take their word for it:

If you are trying the product without seeing any test results or research data, whose word are you taking? Only theirs! There is no-one else's word to take! Botanical Sources (BS) doesn't even have fake testimonials like some of the other rip-off sites have. 

But anyway, If you don't like the product they will guarantee to refund in full, including delivery fee and they give you 60 days to do it.

Then ...THEN there is a little box with a picture of a plant, including the roots and it says 100% Guaranteed All-Natural ingredients". But that just means the ingredients are 100% guaranteed to have been found in Nature; Sand, poo, mold, weeds, fungus, lichen, rocks and swampwater are all found in nature, but I wouldn't feed them to anyone with Hidraden... ...with anything.

Come to think of it, I wouldn't feed them to anyone at all.

But I love the tie-in of the graphic with the money-back guarantee.It's almost like they think a widdle plant is going to make a fake guarantee real.

It's not.

The other point I want to make, although I made it before, is that the claims these products make are -without exception- seriously unrealistic.

I have explored this before, but I think it is worth saying again. These rules of Scamming are excerpted and slightly modified from a previous post I wrote:

1. Lie Big:
   It is a concept con-men have down cold, but one that most decent people can't get their heads around:  If you are going to lie to people: Lie big. Don't bend or massage the truth.  People are expecting that. Most normal people lie small, They exaggerate or use words like "almost" or "virtual".  But the truth is usually somewhere underneath. People expect this and watch out for exaggerations and small lies. People generally don't expect a lie to be totally bald-faced and to have no relation to the truth. Therefore we see the grandiose claims scammers  make and we expect there is some truth to them. This is why scammers are so smart in their pitch. They understand this about people and therefore they sold so high, but delivered so low, they seem to have flown right underneath most radars.  
    
2. Divide and Conquer: 
   People with specific illnesses don't generally go looking for herbal treatments for other illnesses, so if one product was exposed as a fraud, then it is just that one out of ...what?  ...about 60 now that I have found?... I figure the scammers simply dump the product that was exposed, find a new disease, re-brand the website and labels as "new disease-Tab (fax, cal, ton) and then carry on selling the exact same product to a different market.
   
   
3. Avoid well-organized groups:
   There are no 'guaranteed tratments" for Multipls Sclerosis, Breast Cancer or Autism/ Asperger's. There is no Alzheimer's cure and I think there is a very good reason for this. It is probably the same reason Cardio-tab no longer exists:  These conditions are highly public and have well-populated organizations and lots of support groups surrounding them, the jig would be up pretty quickly with most of these conditions. -I was actually surprised to find "guaranteed treatments for Muscular Dytrophy, Lukemia, and Parkinson's, as they are also have quite well- organized groups surrounding them. 
    
4. Use the Global Market to confuse your  umm... "customers":
   If you set up shop based out of a small, little understood country in Scandinavia, then ship your product from Pakistan, most normal sick people won't be able to figure out how to take action against you from halfway around the world... 

Back to the language of scamming:

Another word you find a lot on the scam sites  is "treatment". Not "cure". Treatment.  So they claim to "treat" some symptoms but totally ignore the underlying cause. Say you have a bacterial infection that causes swelling and redness in your knee and you buy a scam product to "treat" it. The scam product may contain some herbs that may reduce redness  and swelling.  But it will do nothing to kill the bacteria that are causing the problems in the first place. Therefore any result will be temporary and the infection will spread.

But you can't sue, because Pakistani herbal products are probably not regulated in your country. (Yes. Even if the company claims to be based in Scandinavia, the UK, New Zealand, Australia, Italy or Germany, the product is shipped from Pakistan).

Here is another problem with scam products -actually with any herbal remedy:

You don't know what you are getting. Yes, there may be a list of ingredients on the Internet. But how do you know that the product you received in dirty packaging from Pakistan contains what it claims to contain, without contaminants, heavy metals, or new bacteria?

You don't.

And even if they do contain the ingredients as advertised, some of the listed ingredients are downright dangerous. -especially in combination with some medications. Here is another example of the language of scammers: Using a fancy name to describe shit. Some examples of ingredients I have found in scam products:

• Arsenic (listed as arsenic!)
• Hairballs (listed as Serpentine Bezoar)
• Strychnine  (listed as "nux vomica" or "strychnos/strychos nux vomica")
• Mercury (listed as "cinnabar", which is much more romantic, donchathink?)

There are more, but these were the ones that stuck in my mind

I hope by spelling some of this out to you, I will further convince some people that the companies listed under "scam" on the left are all fake. They are scams, liers, dangerous.

Please don't waste your money.,

And if you DO choose to waste your money, please don't give these preparations to anyone who is sick.

Comments

[David J. Bryden]

Is it worth while going after these scam companies one by one, OSM? Surely the real problem is people's lack of understanding that there the pharmaceutical industry is regulated and they simply should not purchase from outside channels.

[One Sick Mother]

David,

I understand your point, but going one-by-one and naming names means the search engine hits will come to me in addition to the scammers. I just hope they click on my link first.

And -trust me on this one: Parroting your granny's canned advice to someone who is sick and desperate without supporting evidence will get you precisely nowhere.

Even with supporting evidence, it is difficult sometimes.

[elizabeth]

I am glad that you are going after these individuals (organizations, indviduals, whichever). And I know that you do it for the search engine hits. I don't want you to think I am going into conspiracy theory here but to, for example, the EU, the FDA is a highly suspect group who often assist companies in hiding potential side effects (That's not from me, that's from 2 doctors and a specialist), and from looking up one medication (on the core registry database - not listed with the product) which had the number one side effect being 'suicidal tendancies' as well as having two doctors reviewing my drugs as few as they are (I try to keep them down to a drug or less per disease), noting that journal articles or other literature indicated that several countra-indicated each other, some indeed inducing the very symptom they were to eliminate.

So I guess I am wondering if I have missed the FDA exposure or if there will be one in the future, I know only certain drugs, and only because of see SO many specialist, and doctors (like 30-50) and doing research for myself, my parents, my friends involving UK and EU drug trials when in the UK, then recommending drugs to people here only to find them either unavailable or a different drug pushed as 'the same' (while world wide literature showed rather a different picture) - or having a $40 drug for anxiety sold as an ADHD drug for over $400 a month. Your experience in seeing the names and the shell games (I still seriously cannot believe they listed mercury IN the ingredients - arsenic has been used for heart in low doses for I think about 500 years or more, but mercury, as medicinal? Without Alchemy or the belief in the four humours in the body I cannot see it having a medicinal use).

Any chance of some overviews or single examinations of FDA actions and products (as here it seems that companies don't need to use any promise just the three magic letters)?

Once again thanks.